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[2015.11.22] 언제까지라도 함께 하는거야 다시 만난 나의 세계: Taking Another Chance at Fanboying (Seoul, South Korea)The Girls' Generation Phantasia 4th Tour Experience


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 02:17 AM

November 22, 2015, Seoul Olympic Arena, Seoul, South Korea

 

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Yep, that's me, outside the Arena. From a tropical country to a really cold one. So you can imagine how much I was freezing my butt there.

 

It took me two years since I first became a fan of Girls' Generation before I first saw them in a concert back in 2012. Now, three years and five more concerts later, I am so thankful to have reached yet another milestone in my life as a fan.

 

To finally watch them in their home turf.

 

Yes. The Girls' Generation Phantasia 4th Tour kickoff concert in Seoul Olympic Arena, Seoul, South Korea.

 

My third solo concert and seventh overall. My first in Seoul.

 

As I am writing this and recalling of my experiences, I just couldn't help but cry. From the moment I stepped inside the Arena until this very moment, I am still overwhelmed with all of the experience that it still makes me choke up and cry. I still couldn't believe that I finally got to see them perform in their home turf.

 

Taking pictures wasn't allowed and it was being strictly enforced, so I apologize for that in advance. No pictures for this one.

 

I gotta admit. The moment I got to my seat, the magnitude of the reality hit me. I couldn’t believe I was inside Seoul Olympic Arena, just minutes away from my third solo concert. And again, in their home turf. I really couldn’t help but cry at that point, thinking of how thankful I was that finally, I was going to check off a big item on my bucket list and finally, finally see them in their home turf. For like three minutes I was just hyperventilating and crying over that realization.

 

Once the lights went out, the fabled Pink Ocean for the nth time flooded the entire Arena. As always, it was such a beautiful sight, and an exhilarating feeling, to be a part of it, waving my own lightstick amidst thousands in unison.

 

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This was the prepared fan project

 

I realized from the opening vignette that the girls did have more input and were more involved with this one. Heck, it's the first time that they've spoken during the opening video. And then, things got exciting right away when the girls appeared and gracefully stepped down a flight of stairs the moment the curtain dropped, opening the concert with "You Think". Resplendent in dark blue and white outfits, the girls easily captured everyone's attention from the get-go. Almost everyone went bonkers when Seohyun did that split.

 

The jazz version of "Tell Me Your Wish" was admitted unexpected. It was totally a new thing for me and I really didn't think that they would do it that way. After so many years of seeing the concert version with Tiffany's rap, this was indeed a new thing for me.

After "Bump It", I was honestly surprised later on when they popped those blue outfits open, revealing an even sexier white costume underneath. Apparently, that was the cue for "Show Girls". Like wow. Tiffany's awesome introduction while the girls were putting their white gloves on to complete the concept was just jaw-dropping.

 

And of course, after the first set, the always welcome introductions were made. As always, being able to see and hear them go, "하나, , ! 안녕하세요, 소녀시대 입니다!" was such a very fun moment. It was funny to see Sunny going all cute again and then Taeyeon missing her cue since she was busy drink her water. After that, they were talking too fast for this newbie Korean learner to follow fully.

 

And towards the end, which I thought was a flawless transition, they were talking about the old-fashioned microphones suddenly appearing behind them, cueing the next song, "One Afternoon". I personally love that song from their latest album. But I was surprised with the next song, "Paparazzi". I mean, the transition from one song to another was just so smooth. Well, I shouldn't be surprised, since they were still in those sexy white outfits. The crowd was just amazing going "Boom! Boom! Boom!" and "Ra-Ta-Ta!" on cue.

 

Another video was shown, but what sent goosebumps up and down my spine was that in the end, they were playing the tune of "Merry-Go-Round". I wasn't a fan back then, so when I heard this song, I was again overwhelmed with emotion.

 

The next set opened with an all-too-familiar introduction, followed by the expected fanchant of "Doo-Too-Roo-Toot-Doo-Doo, Kissing You Baby! Doo-Too-Roo-Toot-Doo-Doo, Loving You Baby!" The girls looked so cute in their girly outfits with big ribbons on the heads, sitting on enormous replicas of hair and makeup stuff like lipsticks and mirrors and hairbrushes while singing. "Kissing You" really takes me back, a lot. And mind you, this was the original version, not the rock version.

 

After another short cute and funny talk, and I was pretending to understand every single word they were saying, they went on with their next song, which was another personal favorite of mine, "Green Light". It was so funny seeing Yuri fail in that matching game that was going on while they were performing. And it was also fun fanchanting with the crowd while we go "Beep Beep!".

 

After "Paradise", and another cute and funny banter as they exited the stage, the next video appeared.  I think this was the part where they were playing rock-paper-scissors and then at the end, Sunny got cheated, since she clearly won the final round, and was forced to go into the photo booth last. She cutely surrendered, and then started bantering as well as she hopped inside. Come to think of it, I did miss seeing cute Sunny. 

 

This part was the special stages, kicked off by TaeTiSeo's performance of "Adrenaline", followed by Sunny and Yoona singing Maroon 5's "Sugar" as they walked through the crowd, much to everyone's delight, and then capped off by what a lot of people wanted to see, SHY. Sooyoung, Hyoyeon, and Yuri were looking so bad-ass with Salt-N-Pepa's "Push It", their outfits reminiscent of "I Got A Boy".

 

The next video was another funny banter about "What Girls Talk About". It was hilarious that the girls were mentioning "Chamomile", "Earl Grey", and "English Breakfast," as their preferred tea, and then Taeyeon goes "먹자!". Typical Ahjumma Taengdork. God, these girls talk a lot whenever they're together it's hilarious. Oh, their outfits in the video gave the next song away.

 

"Lion Heart". Man, as always, it was so energizing to go "지금은 소녀시대! 앞으로도 소녀시대! 영원히 소녀시대!", and to go "Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh-oh! Oh-oh!" Of course, it was my first time seeing them perform "Lion Heart" live and alive, and it made recall all the happiness I experienced watching them on TV and on live streaming while they were on promotions.

 

And after making us happy with "Lion Heart", they proceeded to knock everyone out with "Check". But then, they threw another curveball by going all cutesy with yet another all-too-familiar song that made everyone go fanchanting like crazy.

 

"Gee". 'Nuff said. At this point, you know how insane fanchanting during "Gee" can be.

 

My throat was completely out long ago, having lost it within the first hour of the concert, but that didn't stop me from risking permanent damage to it for the nth time. Again, at that point, I was growing tired. It's as if my body was starting to give out, whispering to me to give up. But no, not for them. Even if I wasn't as young and healthy as I used to be when I first started this journey as a SONE, through all the weariness, aches, and pains, I willed myself to push on, just for them.

 

The next video actually made me think about things. It was when Yoona was interacting with this AI computer. Yes, mankind just wants to be happy, despite all the worries and tragedies and flaws in the world. And for this late afternoon concert, yes, it was just all about happiness. At least for these two and a half hours, we were all happy, just enjoying each other's company.

 

Anyways, the girls took to the stage once again, opening with "Mr. Mr.". The heavy electronic music and the flashing lights brought them out with a bang, ushered in by Taeyeon's powerful "Let's Go!". I dunno, but I found myself crying at this point. Not the first time, mind you. But I honestly found it strange to be crying at that point. Maybe because "Mr. Mr." was the year where it got so difficult for the girls. Maybe that was it. I was literally choking on my tears while struggling to join the fanchanting. My voice was breaking going, "지금은 소녀시대! 앞으로도 소녀시대! 영원히 소녀시대!". After "Sign", they did a "The Great Escape"-"Run Devil Run" combo. Admittedly, that once again sent shivers up and down my spine. The same with the remix version of "Mr. Taxi". The girls looked so wow in their lighted outfits.

 

"Catch Me If You Can" opened the next set. The fanchanting was just so amazing it was exhilarating once more. The combination of the girls' powerful dancing and the crowd's boisterous cheering and fanchanting has lit things up once, if everything wasn't already lit up from the get-go. As I write this part, I feel that I'm not just doing enough justice to what happened during this performance. It was just amazing.

 

After "Fire Alarm", "The Boys" blared through the Arena, making all of us thunder, as in thunder, back with "GG!" to start the fanchanting once again. The heavy beats of "The Boys" was just exhilarating, making me go "지금은 소녀시대! 앞으로도 소녀시대! 영원히 소녀시대!" and "Girls' Generation make you feel the heat!" with as much energy as I could muster, whatever was left at that point.

 

A longer talk followed once again. The girls went all silly passing out their microphones by color code, with Tiffany obviously claiming the pink one while Taeyeon cutely remarking why hers was black. At this point, the girls were catching up with all of the individual activities that they were doing so far, highlighted by their teasing and egging Taeyeon to sing a few lines of her successful solo single "I". Seohyun and Hyoyeon tried to egg her on. Seohyun also mentioned about the new and upcoming TaeTiSeo album, which we were of course highly anticipating as well. Seohyun and Yoona were also pointed out to be having movie appearances, much to their embarrassment.

 

And then came the most touching moment of the concert. And this one still gets me in the feels as I write this fan account.

 

Yes. I'm talking about the ballad version of "Into the New World". Needless to say, I was totally speechless because my throat was blocked from all of my crying. I just let my tears fall as I waved my lightstick. I would never know if the day would come that I would not cry whenever I hear this song anymore, especially the ballad version. I'm not even sure if I would want to not cry. Ever since I first heard this version during the Tokyo Dome concert, "Into the New World" became all the more that special to me, in so many different levels.

 

As was with every concert, SONE prepared something for the girls. The moment Tiffany hit that high note after "Saranghae", we threw our hidden pink paper airplanes with messages for the girls, promising to them that yes, we will be there for them and with them as they go into this new world. I cried even harder seeing the girls cry in surprise. I clearly saw Yuri in particular in tears as they all bowed and waved to the crowd, ending the main concert.

 

As the lights went out, it was quiet for just a second. The crowd slowly started singing "Complete" as we all patiently waited for the encore. We didn't do much, as the lights came back on again to another video showing the girls' preparations for Christmas, and a short celebration at the end. And with that, the girls appeared in stage once more for the encore part, starting with a very appropriate song, "Snowy Wish". That song is always fun to listen to. But to me, there was a bit of sentimentality there as well, making me tear up a bit for the nth time. I don't know why older songs make me cry, or at least get teary-eyed. They just do. What made this more fun was the fact that the girls were tossing around goodies to the fans. And they were also horsing around with the pink paper airplanes that landed in the stage. Of course, since I was seated in the second floor, I wasn't able to get any. Lucky for those at the mosh pit. Blame me for being too old and too short for the mosh pit. Oh well.

 

They continued on with the Christmasy theme with their English Holidays song, "Like A Diamond", still throwing around goodies and playing around with the paper airplanes. It was such good and dorky fun watching them horse around the stage like kids. Taeyeon was teasing with the fans as well, pretending to be undecided where and when to toss the goodies.

 

They had yet another short talk afterwards, egging the crowd to do the "Love and Girls" dance. And speaking of "Love and Girls", they have a big shoutout to their beloved concert director, Rino Nakasone, showering her with so much love. It was such a dorky moment while they taught us the moves on-the-spot. And once they were sure that we got it, "Love and Girls" started playing. And boy did we all started dancing on our seats. I remember back in Taipei even standing up and doing the "Hoo-hoo! Hoo-hoo!" dance.

 

And at the end of it all, we all got another pleasant surprise. The girls started singing "PARTY", but with a twist. They changed the lyrics to suit it with the winter and Christmas season. For starters, Seohyun opened with "We love winter!" I honestly hope to God that SM would release this during the Christmas season as an official track. Like seriously, I would definitely need a Soshi-themed Christmas party, and this song is definitely perfect for such. And yeah, remind me later to prep up some marshmallows, hot chocolate, and cappuccino.

 

And now, here comes the dramatic and very personal part. As always, at the end of it all, I feel a little bit conflicted. A little over two and a half hours was obviously short, but at the same time, I didn't want to be too greedy with their time. And as always, after the concert, I was all drained out. It has always been like that. That was when all the aches and pains started the befall me. And after the concert was another one hour train ride to get home. At the end of it all, I was exhausted and all worn out from the concert, leaving everything on the stage for the girls. Two and a half hours was obviously too short of an experience at this point.

 

I also felt very thankful, as always. I honestly don't know what I did to deserve such multiple opportunities see and cheer for Girls' Generation, live and alive, in the flesh. I am forever thankful and grateful for all the chances that I got so far to be a part of the Pink Ocean.

 

And as before, even though it still makes me sad whenever I think about it, living through with the fact that I am just another nameless and faceless SONE filling up the Pink Ocean somehow didn't hurt as much, at least as far as this concert experience was concerned. I thought that as long as I give my all to the Girls, which I did, then I should not have any regrets whatsoever.

 

And just like the previous concert experiences, this one would go down as yet another chapter as to how much I do love Kim Taeyeon, Jung Sooyeon (yes, she's still in the list), Lee Sunkyu, Hwang Miyoung, Kim Hyoyeon, Kwon Yuri, Choi Sooyoung, Im Yoona, and Seo Juhyun. Being there yet again, seeing Girls' Generation for the seventh time in this lifetime, it didn't feel old. Just different. I feel that a part of me being a SONE has grown even more mature, that for sure that part of me will always love Taeyeon, Jessica, Sunny, Tiffany, Hyoyeon, Yuri, Sooyoung, Yoona, and Seohyun, in that special corner of my mind and my heart. In my own little way, I love them.

 

But in addition, there was something really special about this experience as well. It was a few hours after I got home that I got to start thinking as well. In the five years that I have been a fan of Girls’ Generation, calling myself a SONE, I have started to wonder about it all the more.

 

What is it about the girls that makes me give so much of myself to them, even if they don’t know that I exist?

 

What is it about them that I forget about my own limits and push my body so much that after the concert, I end up crashing almost every single time?

 

What is it about them that I would be willing to go through all of this just to see them live?

 

But still, the bottom line still seems to be, as always, with great confidence, I can say, "I love you, Girls' Generation... and I always will... 'till the day I die." In addition, yes, at this point, I am one with you girls in saying, "언제까지라도 함께 하는거야 다시 만난 나의 세계 (It's something we'll do together to the end, into the new world.)."

 

And that, I promise.

 

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I managed to ninja a photo after the concert. The staff was super strict, and there were a couple just a few feet behind me.


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Jigemeun, So Nyuh Shi Dae! Apuroudo, So Nyuh Shi Dae! Yongwonhi, So Nyuh Shi Dae! So Nyuh Shi Dae Saranghe!
My encounter with the Girls:
Bangkok, Hsinchu, Manila, Taipei, Taipei Again, Bulacan, Seoul, Hong Kong, Seoul Again, Taipei 3rd, Manila Again, Manila 3rd
My thoughts on the Girls: Power of Nine, One Year Later, Two Years, On Being a SONE, Deeper Feelings At your own risk: Twitter, Instagram Covers: Blind CH Ver. (SM The Ballad Zhoumi), Non-SNSD Covers Thread, SNSD Covers Thread Fanfic: Breathe, Don't Speak
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Posted 02 December 2015 - 07:26 PM

Wow, congrats for seeing the girls at their Seoul concert and thank you for this story.   :D


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 01:43 AM

Wow, congrats for seeing the girls at their Seoul concert and thank you for this story.   :D

Thank you. It is kinda a bummer that they were so strict with the picture taking for us mere mortals. Like if they catch you, they're gonna make you stand up and go with them and then make you delete the photos in front of them. I mean, yeah, I get it with the copyright and stuff. But wow, just wow. Gotta admire their increased vigilance when it comes to that.

 

At least that's one big item off my bucket list, to see them in their home turf.


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Jigemeun, So Nyuh Shi Dae! Apuroudo, So Nyuh Shi Dae! Yongwonhi, So Nyuh Shi Dae! So Nyuh Shi Dae Saranghe!
My encounter with the Girls:
Bangkok, Hsinchu, Manila, Taipei, Taipei Again, Bulacan, Seoul, Hong Kong, Seoul Again, Taipei 3rd, Manila Again, Manila 3rd
My thoughts on the Girls: Power of Nine, One Year Later, Two Years, On Being a SONE, Deeper Feelings At your own risk: Twitter, Instagram Covers: Blind CH Ver. (SM The Ballad Zhoumi), Non-SNSD Covers Thread, SNSD Covers Thread Fanfic: Breathe, Don't Speak
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If Fany uploads a picture of herself in that Party MV bikini like what Sunny did, I SWEAR I'M GONNA THROW MYSELF OUT THE WINDOW


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 06:50 AM

Thank you. It is kinda a bummer that they were so strict with the picture taking for us mere mortals. Like if they catch you, they're gonna make you stand up and go with them and then make you delete the photos in front of them. I mean, yeah, I get it with the copyright and stuff. But wow, just wow. Gotta admire their increased vigilance when it comes to that.

 

At least that's one big item off my bucket list, to see them in their home turf.

 

Same thing happened to me when I went to see TTS when I was in Seoul last year at a M! Countdown show, was not allowed to take picture nor record video but at least I have other evidence to validate my story.


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 06:58 PM

Same thing happened to me when I went to see TTS when I was in Seoul last year at a M! Countdown show, was not allowed to take picture nor record video but at least I have other evidence to validate my story.

Haha. Yeah, I have at least one too. But that one very embarrassing to make it public... for now. Maybe when I get all crazy and whatnot I'll eventually share it.


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Jigemeun, So Nyuh Shi Dae! Apuroudo, So Nyuh Shi Dae! Yongwonhi, So Nyuh Shi Dae! So Nyuh Shi Dae Saranghe!
My encounter with the Girls:
Bangkok, Hsinchu, Manila, Taipei, Taipei Again, Bulacan, Seoul, Hong Kong, Seoul Again, Taipei 3rd, Manila Again, Manila 3rd
My thoughts on the Girls: Power of Nine, One Year Later, Two Years, On Being a SONE, Deeper Feelings At your own risk: Twitter, Instagram Covers: Blind CH Ver. (SM The Ballad Zhoumi), Non-SNSD Covers Thread, SNSD Covers Thread Fanfic: Breathe, Don't Speak
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If Fany uploads a picture of herself in that Party MV bikini like what Sunny did, I SWEAR I'M GONNA THROW MYSELF OUT THE WINDOW


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 09:01 PM

Haha. Yeah, I have at least one too. But that one very embarrassing to make it public... for now. Maybe when I get all crazy and whatnot I'll eventually share it.

 

If you're scared to share it with the fandom, can you share with me via PM.  I promised to keep it a secret and won't tell anybody about it.  


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@  Emperor Ryu (12:50:29 AM)

Hello SBox.  ^_^

<<<  His SNSD, Red Velvet, and Kara bias are, . . . wait for it, . . . "all of them."  ^_^  <<<  Innocent!  ^.^

I hope it's not deadlier, cinderella@yoona.  I rather have the coronavirus just plain be dead than be deadlier.  ^_^

Please stop being paranoia now, Keitaro88.  Everything you've said about the economy is a mismatch and a dumb conspiracy theory.  You've not ever presented any solid evidence to begin with about the businesses and corporations too.  Seriously, a CNN article?  LMAO!  You do realize CNN is owned by a pathetically biased corporation?  ^_^  Tehehehe.  It's just wide speculation and rumor talk to feed a stupid socialist's agenda.  Calm down.  ^_^  Tehehehe.

@  Keitaro88 (12:04:29 AM) nice https://twitter.com/...4761818112?s=20
@  glider003 (08:18:56 PM) former Kara's Kang Jiyoung was on her way back from drama shooting last night, when a drunk driver hit her van. She and her staff got injured, not too gravely, but reportedly won't be able to resume shooting for awhile
@  Keitaro88 (07:20:22 PM) dam, Red Velvet’s Seulgi And Joy Can Now Be Heard On Line 2 Of Korea’s Subway Station. Would love to hear them :)
@  Keitaro88 (07:07:33 PM) *facepalm* and kek, idiots. https://edition.cnn....-irs/index.html while all those money will stay on bank accounts and being used, smart. poor people...
@  Keitaro88 (06:43:41 PM) should* divide them
@  Keitaro88 (06:17:58 PM) economy is megacorporations and approving(under fear of competitiveness form abroad) merges into mega companies(monopoly), "too big, too fail" 08 (govs will bail out them) 08, while FTC would divide them. *facepalm* and what we have now, bail outs.
@  Keitaro88 (05:14:52 PM) another problem with world econimy
@  Keitaro88 (05:09:49 PM) and they r still in places, because it's convenient just pay for ratings, hehe
@  Keitaro88 (04:56:17 PM) @korniceman3000 no no, you dont understand me. read about bank crisis 08. it was audit/rating fault to give toxic assets AAA rating while banks and countries worldwide buying them from american banks. After debacle, they said it was just advises, hehe
@  cinderella@y... (03:50:58 PM) so is covid19 now deadly then sars?
@  Emperor Ryu (02:35:37 PM)

Until the next time, my fellow SONEs.  ^_^  https://www.youtube....?v=E0Y3ABqK7M4 https://www.youtube....h?v=zQ6u3FO-aRM


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Peace be with all of you.  ^.^  https://www.youtube....?v=WkdtmT8A2iY https://www.youtube....h?v=eNmL4JiGxZQ


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@  Emperor Ryu (02:18:01 PM)

<<<  Imagines Soshi Marvel, . . . ^.^  Taeyeon as American Dream, Tiffany as Pepper Potts, Jessica as Scarlet Witch, Yuri as X-23, Yoona as Spider-Woman, Hyoyeon as Jane Foster, Sooyoung as She-Hulk, Sunny as Captain Marvel, Seohyun as Invisible Woman, Victoria as Storm, Luna as Namora, Amber as Ko-Rel, Krystal as Miss America, Sulli as Rogue, Irene as Jean Grey, Joy as Valkyrie, Wendy as Psylocke, Seulgi as Betty Ross, and Yeri as Namorita.

<<<  Imagines Soshi Image, . . . ^.^  Taeyeon as Lady Supreme, Tiffany as Angela, Jessica as Ballistic, Yuri as Diva, Yoona as Eliya, Hyoyeon as Velocity, Sooyoung as Cyblade, Sunny as Zealot, Seohyun as Ultra, Victoria as Synergy, Luna as Psilence, Amber as Vogue, Krystal as Masada, Sulli as Riptide, Irene as Caitlin Fairchild, Joy as Sarah Rainmaker, Wendy as Cybernary, Seulgi as Glory, and Yeri as Seoul.

@  Emperor Ryu (02:02:58 PM)

<<<  Imagines Soshi Valiant, . . . ^.^  Taeyeon as Erica Pierce, Tiffany as Jillian Alcott, Jessica as Livewire, Yuri as Pulse, Yoona as Doctor Mirage, Hyoyeon as Hotshot, Sooyoung as Grasshopper, Sunny as Double Blind, Seohyun as Roku, Victoria as Myshka, Luna as Granite, Amber as Animalia, Krystal as Timewalker, Sulli as Satin Doll, Irene as War Mother, Joy as Nikki Finch, Wendy as Sai, Seulgi as Danielle Fireseed, and Yeri as Tama.

<<<  Imagines Soshi DC, . . . ^.^  Taeyeon as Supergirl, Tiffany as Batgirl, Jessica as Wonder Woman, Yuri as Zatanna, Yoona as Mera, Hyoyeon as Mary Marvel, Sooyoung as Donna Troy, Sunny as Jesse Chambers, Seohyun as Jessica Cruz, Victoria as Power Girl, Luna as Hawkgirl, Amber as Miss Martian, Krystal as Stargirl, Sulli as Starfire, Irene as Arrowette, Joy as Phantom Lady, Wendy as Artemis, Seulgi as Godiva, and Yeri as Raven.

@  Emperor Ryu (01:31:54 PM)

<<<  Yes!, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=XzTi_Twld5U

@  Emperor Ryu (01:09:49 PM)

<<<  ^.^  Fun, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=4CEqyuem3mA  Victory!  ^.^

@  Emperor Ryu (01:04:30 PM)

<<<  Checking videos now.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (01:03:51 PM)

It's possible to stand 6 feet apart from each other.  ^_^  Unless you're saying it's difficult to fight those urges?  LMAO!  ^.^

@  Emperor Ryu (01:02:33 PM)

Of course the governments of world tell the truth too.  LMAO!  Let's not be so cynical about it during this outbreak/pandemic.  We need to work together to fight this coronavirus.

@  korniceman3000 (12:58:48 PM) Govts always lie LOL If they didn't, they wouldn't be the govt. Gotta run. Time to buy some groceries. Hopefully the lines won't be too long as it is virtually impossible to stand 6ft apart from another customer.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:43:54 PM)

<<<  ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=9AjkUyX0rVw

@  Emperor Ryu (12:43:24 PM)

It's not like the medical data is giving out state secrets, shessh.  >.<

@  Emperor Ryu (12:42:51 PM)

<<<  Honesty is the best policy!  \^.^/

@  Emperor Ryu (12:42:17 PM)

Indeed, korniceman3000.  What bugs me is the data from China, North Korea, Iran, and nowadays from Russia.

@  korniceman3000 (12:40:22 PM) I don't think S America, India, or Africa have started to peak yet. And that is scary...
@  Emperor Ryu (12:38:50 PM)

It's an ongoing war, korniceman3000.  v_v

@  korniceman3000 (12:31:28 PM) I sure hope this coronavirus ends by May. The troubling part is which countries that haven't seen the curve start or haven't began testing. France took a beating the last 24 hrs with 1300+ deaths .
@  Emperor Ryu (12:30:17 PM)

I remember back then when prevs wanting something during the love scenes, korniceman3000.  ^.^  LOL!

@  Emperor Ryu (12:29:20 PM)

<<<  ^.^  The nostalgia, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=Kr0tTbTbmVA

@  korniceman3000 (12:29:13 PM) I saw this on a tv show promoting that kind of cinema. Not exactly sure I want a blast of cold air or water in my face to make the scene more realistic
@  Emperor Ryu (12:28:46 PM)

Let's pray together that the summer will kill the coronavirus, koniceman3000.  ^.^

@  Emperor Ryu (12:28:05 PM)

I have confidence in the people to successfully combat against the coronavirus.  ^.^

<<<  Innocent!  ^.^

@  korniceman3000 (12:27:46 PM) Even then, they make have new rules to help prevent close contact in seating. Probably until they have a vaccine. Then it will eventually be treated more like the seasonal flu
@  Emperor Ryu (12:27:18 PM)

<<<  Still not willing to go to this movie theater type though, . . . ^_^  https://www.youtube....h?v=FN03zZRHSHA

@  Emperor Ryu (12:26:35 PM)

Indeed, korniceman3000.  That's one of the points they've made and people do agree.

@  korniceman3000 (12:26:25 PM) It will be quite some time before we can transition back to venues with large numbers of people.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:25:56 PM)

<<<  But it depends on people working together on not spreading it and finding a viable vaccine and cure to it.

@  korniceman3000 (12:25:36 PM) It's just not the same. Not the 3d surround sound and cinema sized screen. Action movies like those need to be seen in a theater to get that full experience.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:25:16 PM)

<<<  Still prays and hopes the coronavirus will be defeated soon.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (12:24:21 PM)

Movie goers pondered and inquired about the use of movie theaters during this outbreak/pandemic, and their response assures theaters will be still around.

@  Emperor Ryu (12:22:55 PM)

A few movies have been released for online paying streaming services, such as this awesome film, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=vOUVVDWdXbo

@  korniceman3000 (12:21:26 PM) Mulan won't be released for a while until this coronavirus disappears. Not sure how rules will change in movie theaters now that social distancing is the new norm.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:19:08 PM)

<<<  Still waiting for this movie to be released, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=KK8FHdFluOQ

@  Emperor Ryu (12:16:13 PM)

<<<  Even more SNSD for korniceman3000, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=IbLh4i40I4E

@  Emperor Ryu (12:15:06 PM)

It's a work in progress.  Rest assured they're working on it.  ^_^

@  korniceman3000 (12:14:18 PM) Perfect example is Humira. This drug costs over $7000 for a month long supply. It's ridiculous.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:14:02 PM)

<<<  More SNSD for korniceman3000, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=0k2Zzkw_-0I

@  korniceman3000 (12:13:34 PM) What we need is some kind of law that prevents Pharmaceuticals from price fixing and companies from continually filing new patents on existing drugs to keep generics from being sold in the US.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:13:03 PM)

And the medical system is still being fixed.  ^.^  Relax.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (12:12:06 PM)

They're still considered brand new, but have been growing steadily and becoming quite popular.  So no worries.  The drug prices are indeed going down.  ^.^

@  korniceman3000 (12:11:42 PM) It's more like a supplemental insurance plan for some more expensive drugs that may not be covered by the primary plan.
@  korniceman3000 (12:10:38 PM) Sadly, GoodRx prices might depend on whether the pharmacy accepts their discount coupons and can't be used with you health insurance or for medicare recipients.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:09:45 PM)

Chillax, and enjoy some SNSD, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=q_gfD3nvh-8

@  Emperor Ryu (12:08:52 PM)

Again, that's on them to figure on how to get out of bankruptcy.  If they cannot, they'll suffer the consequences of their own actions.

@  korniceman3000 (12:07:42 PM) Delta and AA use bankruptcy more as a protection rather than a means to pay back what they owe LOL. Not surprising since they hire some of the most powerful legal teams.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:07:13 PM)

Delta and American Airlines run there businesses like how they want to.  If it yields problems, that's on them.  Not the rest of us.  Relax.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (12:05:08 PM)

<<<  Enjoying some nice SNSD music during this portion of this good conversation.  ^.^

@  Emperor Ryu (12:04:32 PM)

Ah ha!  I figure all of this wasted energy had to be from somewhere.  Filing for bankruptcy means they do to the average consumer.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (12:02:42 PM)

I guess you've never heard of this then?, . . . https://www.youtube....h?v=c4PBDV_-w7M  Price fixing?  LMAO!

@  korniceman3000 (12:01:35 PM) Plus, Delta doesn't have a liquidity issue like AA. They sit on at least 45% their earnings. The remainder is for buybacks, dividend payouts, and outside investment. None of which is used on employees.
@  Emperor Ryu (12:00:03 PM)

Medical insurance is another story altogether.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (11:59:46 AM)

Stock prices is different than prices set in the store.  ^_^

@  korniceman3000 (11:59:35 AM) I don't have stock but I know people who were screwed over by Delta and AA. And trust me, they haven't had money troubles for over a decade.
@  Emperor Ryu (11:59:12 AM)

No, clearly they didn't know, which is why their downsizing.  You've never heard of false advertising before companies sign contracts to work together?  And when they break it off, it's on bad terms anyways.

@  Emperor Ryu (11:57:24 AM)

If so, then I can understand why you're griping about them after all this time.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (11:56:58 AM)

Do you have stocks in Delta and American Airlines?

@  Emperor Ryu (11:56:32 AM)

LMAO!  Filing for bankruptcy sure does indicate money troubles.  Hello!  ^.^  Just let it go already.  It's not your problem, nor anybody else's here.  Unless you have stock in the company?  ^_^

@  korniceman3000 (11:55:19 AM) https://www.cbsnews....e-as-you-think/
@  korniceman3000 (11:55:16 AM) The companies found new ways to game the system while price fixing generics.
@  korniceman3000 (11:54:40 AM) https://www.consumer...on-drug-prices/
@  korniceman3000 (11:54:36 AM) Some drugs went down, but most went up.
@  korniceman3000 (11:52:37 AM) LOL They don't have any trouble managing their money. They already weathered the so-called bankruptcy issue over a decade ago. LOL Amazon knows EXACTLY what they are hiring and using a sub-contracted company is just one way to shield against having direct liability and being held accountable. They knew of how their sub-employees were being treated and the work related dangers. I remember some managers had emails in a 60 Minutes report that showed high lvl admin knew but didn't take any actions against the contracted companies.
@  Emperor Ryu (11:50:25 AM)

That'll change soon, korniceman3000.  A huge amount of comments that I have read over the past few weeks now want these pharmaceutical drugs to be made in the U.S.  Did you know about the huge differences in drug pricing between the U.S. and other countries?  And thanks to the President of the United States and his Administration, the drug prices are going down.  ^.^

Easy catch up.  ^_^  Moving on to brighter things now, . . . ^.^

<<<  Oops, didn't realize that anime song link was shorter.  My bad.  >.<  Here's the full version, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=EhAX68uF6NU

<<<  Checking videos now.  ^_^

@  korniceman3000 (11:43:48 AM) Sadly I did know about the fact that most of the pharmaceutical drugs and vitamins are manufactured in China (as high as 80% in some estimates). A lot also from India, Egypt, and parts of the Middle East. FDA only manages to check a small percentage. Not a surprise since our pharmaceutical industry only cares about profits and the cost of manufacturing drugs there are so low that it is highly unlikely any of them will ever be made in the US.
@  Emperor Ryu (11:43:20 AM)

ROFTLMAO!  Those must be the low end audit agencies if that's true, korniceman3000.  Again, it's not a bad thing for businesses to have tax breaks.  And they have to pay for the operational costs, not the taxes.  Come on.  ^_^  Tehehehe.  Did you not read what I typed about Delta and American Airlines riding that bankruptcy for some time now?  Why complain about tax benefits while these companies have a tough time managing their own money?  These arguments you're presenting is really out of place, to be honest.  And still yet, they have to pay back loans nonetheless, regardless if they have to buyback stock.  Just look at the bigger picture instead of nip-picking and ignoring what's really going on.  I can sum all of this in a single paragraph and move on.  ^_^  Yes, I've heard of Amazon laying off hundreds of workers.  And those warehouses are actually smaller contractors they work with, so it's not Amazon directly anyways.

@  korniceman3000 (11:32:33 AM) Worst off are Amazon pilots who get paid below industry standards. And I'm sure you already heard about how Amazon screws over it's employees and the poor conditions of their warehouses, work environment, etc. Also, Amazon is under investigation in the UK, France, Germany, Japan, Ireland, Singapore, Luxembourg, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and China for corporate tax evasion. This clearly isn't a coincidence
@  Emperor Ryu (11:29:33 AM)

Hello SBox.  ^_^

<<<  His SNSD bias is, . . . wait for it, . . . "all of them."  ^_^  <<<  Innocent!  ^.^

I look forward to that sequel, glider003.  ^_^

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Taeyeon!  ^.^

<<<  Still waiting for her Happy music video.  ^_^

<<<  Still waiting for this collaboration too, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=skbnuIhVQUA  &  https://www.youtube....h?v=wbPZyFNYOtY

@  korniceman3000 (11:18:52 AM) At least in Delta's case they paid their pilots double overtime, especially due to shortage of planes due to 737 MAX grounding. Not AA or United, their regional pilots continue to be overworked. Plus there's a shortage of pilots in US because demand is high overseas and the pay is better attracting many younger pilots.
@  korniceman3000 (11:10:34 AM) And given their record earnings including $47 billion in profits from 2013-2018, you would think they would pay back some of that money they owed. Nope, they used it for stock buy backs while making their existing pilots work longer hours, more shifts, while hiring less staff (particularly America Airlines domestic flights, high volume, few pilots, little in-between rest time).
@  korniceman3000 (11:03:20 AM) Those all get major tax deductions. Did I also mention Delta terminated their pensions for pilots since they filed for bankruptcy in 2006? Many of those pilots got royally screwed in all their retirement benefits and to this day Delta, still hasn't paid many of their pilot retirement benefits. With AA, they terminated their pensions after 2011 bankruptcy and many of their pilots and employees had their benefits and pensions terminated or frozen. Talks are still ongoing to help them get back the money the airlines owe them.
@  korniceman3000 (10:56:28 AM) LMAO!!! As I said before, Delta and AA and other major corporations get major tax write offs for payroll tax deductions, healthcare, operational costs etc.
@  korniceman3000 (10:45:06 AM) @ Keitaro A lot of audit agencies have good workers doing their jobs. The problem is convincing their bosses to go along with their investigations and not having them being swept under the rug. The only time companies get held accountable is when undercover agents or whistle blowers pop the lid on a companies internal operations that leads to a federal investigation. Even then, the penalties are mostly fines that seem like a slap on the wrist. Then its back to business as usual.
@  glider003 (07:03:44 AM) https://www.youtube....h?v=-c7Rh3xDiJ0 https://www.youtube....h?v=IMiqeqarOjo https://www.youtube....h?v=CP1vd7p44yQ
@  glider003 (05:00:59 AM) follow-up to Train to Busan, not a sequel per se https://www.youtube....h?v=yVucSRLLeIM
@  Emperor Ryu (04:19:22 AM)

Until the next time, my fellow SONEs.  ^_^  https://www.youtube....?v=E0Y3ABqK7M4 https://www.youtube....h?v=zQ6u3FO-aRM


Good Day.  ^_^  https://www.youtube....h?v=ulr0muQKjk0 & https://www.youtube....?v=lOSciQrPr5g https://www.youtube....?v=yuCbJykB32M


Peace be with all of you.  ^.^  https://www.youtube....?v=WkdtmT8A2iY https://www.youtube....h?v=eNmL4JiGxZQ


Aloha!  ^.^  https://www.youtube....?v=4OrCA1OInoo https://www.youtube....?v=eHir_vB1RUI https://www.youtube....h?v=j3_DQgYSS2E


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@  Emperor Ryu (04:03:36 AM)

<<<  Still checking videos.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (03:57:33 AM)

<<<  Fun, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=cK3NMZAUKGw  &  https://www.youtube....h?v=GvD3CHA48pA

<<<  Fun, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=Uds7g3M-4lQ  &  https://www.youtube....h?v=xmxEuQXTHUU

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<<<  Hopefully, this'll ease such unnecessary worrisome.  ^_^

<<<  Adding this, just in case, . . . ^.^  https://www.youtube....h?v=YqFHIU4qc-k  &  https://www.youtube....h?v=pXAJCRm1H3Y

@  Emperor Ryu (03:45:36 AM)

<<<  Still cannot see direct pic links from here.  >_<

@  Keitaro88 (03:40:34 AM) see no difference, hehe https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=small
@  Emperor Ryu (03:36:57 AM)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Hyoyeon!  ^.^

<<<  Checking videos now.  ^_^

@  Emperor Ryu (03:36:33 AM)

Welcome back to the SBox, eriye9!  ^.^

<<<  Still cannot see instagram and twitter.  >.<

Biometric passports or e-passports have been around for quite some time now, Keitaro88.  *facepalm*

They corrected the 2008 mistakes, Keitaro88.  ^_^  Tehehehehe.

Hello glider003.  ^_^  How you doing today?

Hello Keitaro88.  ^_^  how you been today?

@  Emperor Ryu (03:26:09 AM)

Amazon now?  Won't it be more grateful to have tax reductions and tax benefits for businesses that help people across the nation, korniceman3000?  o.o  So what if they didn't have to pay Federal Taxes for a year.  They still pay State Taxes, all 50 of them!  And I assume all of the U.S. Territories too.  Are you against the President's goal of having U.S. businesses overseas to return back to the U.S.?  Did you know about this?, . . . https://www.theepoch...ay_2497862.html  Mind boggling and scary?  It sounds as if you don't want businesses to thrive in the U.S. at all.  Or, you can just stop ranting in the SBox and re-listen to all of their songs and re-watch all of their shows.  It's going to take a miracle for all 9 to be back together and make a solid comeback.

@  Keitaro88 (03:17:02 AM) @glider003 yeah, hehe
@  glider003 (03:14:41 AM) https://www.youtube....h?v=BLr5CCCty0M
@  Emperor Ryu (03:13:26 AM)

Delta and American Airlines are well-known for riding cost to the edge of bankruptcy.  So why make it like their snobby-secured-rich or something when they're just trying to do their jobs?  And as for the tax weapons, would you rather tax a business to death, like how New York and California are?  It's sheer madness that almost brings back that saying, "taxation without representation" back from the Revolutionary War, korniceman3000.  >.<  Come on.  Just chill.  The relief bill is passed, and there's no point in arguing further about it.  It's done.  Period!  Be more worried about the spread of the coronavirus than trying to tax the rich to death.  Since when was an accelerated depreciation a crime?  O_O  Did it mention The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981?  I don't recall.  Bad investments leads to company losses, that's the reality of it.  What is this?  Some sort of adult version of pretend economics that a pilot's pensions won't be affected?

@  glider003 (03:09:16 AM) @Keitaro88 LOL Hyo
@  glider003 (03:09:05 AM) <3 https://www.instagra.../p/B-eC2CVB6nX/ https://www.instagra.../p/B-eFBrfhMQ6/ https://twitter.com/...593148530683904 https://twitter.com/...611725358919685
@  Emperor Ryu (03:00:29 AM)

Hello SBox.  ^_^

<<<  His SNSD bias is, . . . wait for it, . . . "all of them."  ^_^  <<<  Innocent!  ^.^

Technically?  You're still not looking at the whole picture of how the airlines stay afloat.  I did mention operational costs at the beginning of all of this.  Now add taxes, paying wages, medical, insurance, retirement, supplies, equipment, maintenance, fuel, audits, etc, etc.  It isn't cheap running an airlines business, korniceman3000.  >_<  Again, it's not a crime for them to secure their business.  It's even good for the market some times.  Dare I say, it protects them from hostile take-overs from rival competitors, especially when it comes to the value of their shares.

@  Keitaro88 (11:51:29 PM) >_> https://www.instagra.../p/B-eA-6Oh-Ym/
@  Keitaro88 (11:06:05 PM) erm https://www.instagra.../p/B-d_G1tHqep/
@  Keitaro88 (09:58:09 PM) dam https://twitter.com/...6436172801?s=20
@  Keitaro88 (09:26:49 PM) it's not working financial system, hehe
@  Keitaro88 (09:26:23 PM) @korniceman3000 also it's funny how audit/rating agencies r still being credible after 2008 fiasco, hehe
@  Keitaro88 (06:36:00 PM) @glider003 >_>
@  Keitaro88 (06:30:47 PM) kek https://twitter.com/...0703454210?s=20
@  Keitaro88 (06:29:05 PM) facepalm https://twitter.com/...5564503040?s=20 ,also countries in discussion about bio passport, hehe. i would say, we almost "there". it's not even Orwellian future, it's scarier LOL
@  glider003 (05:10:32 PM) @korniceman3000 there were signs that they would make a comeback in 2020, but this whole pandemic is delaying all sorts of plan
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@  eriye9 (01:09:45 PM) wow I dont think i checked this forum for like 5 years... i still love soshi tho <3
@  korniceman3000 (12:53:31 PM) SNSD needs to have a new comeback album so I can stop ranting on shoutbox...
@  korniceman3000 (12:30:14 PM) Though I'm guessing their so-called excess stock compensation is similar to what the airlines do.
@  korniceman3000 (12:28:56 PM) I can only imagine the complexity of Amazon's accounting firm and what they did to go from a Net profit of $10.8 billion to paying zero taxes.
@  korniceman3000 (12:22:42 PM) https://www.thebalan...-updated-397646
@  korniceman3000 (12:22:19 PM) https://www.accounti...preciation.html
@  korniceman3000 (12:22:16 PM) Just reading some of these descriptions makes you want to hire an accountant.
@  korniceman3000 (12:21:18 PM) There are literally so many ways companies can use the tax code it's mind boggling and scary.
@  korniceman3000 (12:05:12 PM) I guess that's the magic of having a publicly traded major corporation. You can use stocks to generate imaginary value while avg. people and small businesses cannot and must rely on physical money and assets.
@  korniceman3000 (11:50:24 AM) So that confirms what I stated.
@  korniceman3000 (11:48:33 AM) Amazon themselves said this: " “We have tax benefits relating to excess stock-based compensation deductions and accelerated depreciation deductions that are being utilized to reduce our U.S. taxable income.”
@  korniceman3000 (11:48:02 AM) https://www.snopes.c...ome-taxes-2018/
@  korniceman3000 (11:47:56 AM) As for Amazon, they clearly have some kind of strategy similar to what I wrote but only their accountants know as that won't be made public.
@  korniceman3000 (11:42:31 AM) Filing for bankruptcy basically shielded Delta by wiping out a lot of their debt from bad investments. It protected them from having to pay taxes years into the future based on projected future losses and allowed them to terminate their pilot pensions.
@  korniceman3000 (11:30:54 AM) What I described was basically what the article calls "accelerated depreciation".
@  watch25h (11:21:07 AM) https://www.youtube....h?v=9_j_T_uJH2k
@  korniceman3000 (11:18:53 AM) American Airlines was well known for filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy to cut labor costs and eliminate unprofitable parts of their business that couldn't sell prior to bankruptcy.
@  korniceman3000 (11:10:57 AM) Corporate tax accountants will tell you there are so many weapons they can employ to help a company reduce taxation, options that aren't available to individuals or small companies. It's why so many avg Americans have to fudge their tax deductions to squeeze a little more out from IRS
@  korniceman3000 (11:08:31 AM) At the same time by buying back their own stock and re-inflating their stock value, they can also count that as an investment, allowing them to be taxed through capital gains tax law, a far lower rate than corporate taxes. They also have the best aviation accountants to justify corporate tax deductions by increasing operational and employee expenses etc. This is just the tip of the iceberg on how they operate.
@  korniceman3000 (10:56:51 AM) By inflating their numbers through those projections and stock buy backs, they can create an estimated loss in income without actually losing anything.
@  korniceman3000 (10:55:27 AM) At the same time, they technically never actually lost anything because the money was generated on paper only. However, the amt. they receive in tax rebates is actual physical cash from the govt.
@  korniceman3000 (10:54:20 AM) That on paper money is not physical liquid cash though. Then 2009 first quarter hits and they under perform and only get 15% increase, 5% less than their projected earnings. They can then count that as a loss for a tax write off. Lets say this results in the stock dropping from $15 per share back to $12 per share. Again they can count that as a loss and use that for a tax write off.
@  korniceman3000 (10:48:56 AM) Lets say it is 2008. Delta has stock valued at $10 a share. They earned $1 billion dollars by years end. The company then deliberately over projects to shareholders that they expect a 20% increase in profits the next quarter (but the real estimate is only 10% increase or less). That drives up Delta stock value on paper money to let say $15 per share.
@  korniceman3000 (10:42:57 AM) Technically, Delta didn't actually "lose" billions. They use forecast projections the years before to attribute to that loss.
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@  Emperor Ryu (03:07:24 AM)

Hello glider003.  ^_^  How you doing today?

<<<  Still cannot see twitter.  >_<

@  glider003 (03:05:44 AM) https://twitter.com/...266136985251841
@  Emperor Ryu (02:41:27 AM)

<<<  Still cannot see twitter, instagram, and direct pic links from here.  >.<

That's what the relief bill does, Keitaro88.  Free money.  Duh!  ^_^

It's weird your April Fool's Day joke has both "hehe" and "facepalm" together without anyone taking your bait, Keitaro88.  ^_^  Lmao!

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@  Emperor Ryu (02:21:48 AM)

I'm not surprised when it comes to New York, korniceman3000.  Check this out, . . . https://www.foxnews....ntrusive-audits

The Guardian still likes to spin their lying narrative against the Man in Office.  He's being realistically optimistic.  Pelosi and her moronic followers has done way more damage to the country.  It was her fault that delayed that $2.2 trillion bill.  https://www.theepoch...ll_3283887.html  And she had the sheer and utter audacity to blame him for the coronavirus deaths?  Who is she trying to fool, when Democrat-run States allowed infected into the country under Sanctuary Cities and calling him a racists for blocking any arrivals from China.  >.<

@  Emperor Ryu (02:05:12 AM)

Comparing rebates to the average person whose not rich is a huge difference, korniceman3000.  Instead of just looking at their tax returns and earnings without looking at how much they spent in taxes, why not look at the entire tax system the rich have to face annually.  Here, start with this small piece, . . . ^_^  https://www.brooking...tax-them-more/  Now stroll on over to this next one, . . . ^.^  https://www.heritage...e-taxes-you-do  "Pay a larger amount" without stating a single tax dollar amount for your rebuttal?  This is what is called an evasive argument.  And what I've provided, the tax numbers don't lie.  That Delta article firstly pointed out they've lost "billions" while trying to force the point they didn't pay any federal tax?  Are you kidding me?  o_o

@  Emperor Ryu (01:48:02 AM)

The hospitality and travel industries are getting hit the hardest during this outbreak/pandemic, meaning they're not getting their usual amount of income.  You have to think from their point of views in trying to keep their business afloat in this uncertain market and the serious circumstances happening right now.  If your business was facing a massive income drop and customers not taking up on your services, won't you try to find ways to upkeep your reserves or most of it, or would you rather be subtle about having none whatsoever and face filing a Chapter 9 Bankruptcy claim in the near future?  You can forget worker strikes when there's no airline that has no money in the end, korniceman3000.  By the way, why so focused on the airline industry anyways?  Did something happen?  What did the airline industry to that was so wrong?  Is staying rich a crime?

@  Emperor Ryu (01:38:09 AM)

Hello SBox.  ^_^

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Let's put this into more perspective here, korniceman3000, shall we?  ^_^  $4 trillion combined means there's monetary discrimination towards those who've either earned their fortunes or inherited it from those who'd earned nevertheless.  What they do with their money is no different than what the rest of us do with our money.  If they can legally do that to help, work with the government, and/or boost the economy which will aid their business, there's absolutely no need to prosecute them in any way shape or form.  As for loans, they have to pay back regardless and they have to pray there isn't any interests rates attached to them.

@  Keitaro88 (12:33:06 AM) LOL 1 "special" pulled april fool prank *facepalm* waiting rest of the world
@  Keitaro88 (11:46:15 PM) NWO is comin! not 1 april joke, hehe
@  Keitaro88 (08:17:57 PM) @korniceman3000 free money, hehe
@  Keitaro88 (04:34:59 PM) how to unseen this O_O https://pbs.twimg.co...pg&name=900x900
@  korniceman3000 (01:17:00 PM) https://www.theguard...a-very-good-job
@  korniceman3000 (01:16:56 PM) Is he serious???? (O.O)???
@  korniceman3000 (11:59:11 AM) https://www.reuters....t-idUSKBN21I34J
@  korniceman3000 (11:59:09 AM) These are people that need help.
@  korniceman3000 (11:58:46 AM) It's like a long term way to defer taxes (if not entirely) + these taxes are offset to the consumer and shareholders allowing them a pass. Sadly as bad as Delta is, they still pay better dividends than a lot of other corporations who hoard their cash like Amazon.
@  korniceman3000 (11:40:20 AM) https://liveandletsf...orporate-taxes/
@  korniceman3000 (11:40:16 AM) This article gives an idea of how Delta found a way to game the system.
@  korniceman3000 (11:39:43 AM) Still think they pay a "larger amt" than working people? Hardly...
@  korniceman3000 (11:36:12 AM) Of the 80+, 60 of these companies are the largest in the US, including General Motors and Delta.
@  korniceman3000 (11:34:45 AM) https://itep.org/notadime/
@  korniceman3000 (11:34:40 AM) Activision Blizzard made $447 million and got a $229 million rebate.
@  korniceman3000 (11:33:36 AM) https://www.inc.com/...rprise-you.html
@  korniceman3000 (11:33:27 AM) Last year, over 80 major corporations found enough loopholes in the tax law to not pay any taxes, including Chevron, Amazon, Netflix etc. Amazon even managed to even get a $129 million tax REBATE.
@  korniceman3000 (11:14:48 AM) American Airlines is asking for $12 billion. I can expect Delta and United to eventually ask similar figures. That's already two thirds of the amt. granted for airline industry bailout. That $58 billion isn't going to last very long.
@  korniceman3000 (11:12:18 AM) You can bet there will be another airline strike + a whole series of layoffs and threats of bankruptcy in an effort to downsize and not use that money for their employees.
@  korniceman3000 (11:09:41 AM) Makes a hell of lot more sense.
@  korniceman3000 (11:09:25 AM) https://www.fool.com...s-on-airli.aspx
@  korniceman3000 (11:09:19 AM) You have flight attendants, pilots, and other employees asking the govt. to "provide direct payroll subsidies to airline industry workers, including pilots and flight attendants but also airport service workers" and not to give that money to the airline execs to distribute.
@  korniceman3000 (11:07:04 AM) American spent the vast majority of their physical liquid earnings and Delta about 50% to inflate their stock value on paper. Now the collapse of the stock market caused their imaginary money to disappear and they have no physical money for payroll and operations and want real physical cash loans from taxpayers to bail them out while still saying they will have to do massive layoffs because they can't meet their "projected" future earnings....
@  korniceman3000 (11:03:58 AM) Now the airlines want to use tax dollars as well. They've spent over $39 billion in stock buybacks over the last 5 years.
@  korniceman3000 (11:02:23 AM) Money they were supposed to use for lending but didn't leaving a void in liquidity that forced federal govt. to pump $500 billion in December and another $500 billion in March for short term funding. Not because banks didn't have the money, they just didn't want to use their own money.
@  korniceman3000 (10:49:28 AM) It's $4 trillion combined in cash for all the US non-financial corporations. On top of their cash reserves, they also have a trillion in financial physical assets + the existing value in their stock. This means they have tremendous leverage they can use to borrow from banks which also sit one ridiculous amts of cash.
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@  Emperor Ryu (02:39:50 AM)

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